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Grath Telkin
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Posted - 2011.08.24 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Tunguska Currently most of conquerable space in eve-online is owned by one single supercap coalition. They are forming huge Titan spams and kill off everything in their way, without the slightest chance to counter this playstyle. Right now the last independant alliance is under fire. They will fall soon, they dont have a chance to beat the Titan blobs and doomsday spams. Subcapital ships and capitals cant do anything beside dieing in horrible lag, caused by hundrets of supercarriers and their 20 fighters each.
I just want to ask the question:
WHEN?
How hard is it to nerf 2 shipclasses to make room for a more diverse playstyle? What takes that much time? Just remove them from frontlines by reducing their stats by 95% and make subcaps/capital ships the major players again, like it was before Dominion Thats the only way to save the server from beeing 100% uniform.
Supercaps were buffed with dominion, and it made sense at this time. They were more or less evenly distibuted amongst different alliances. But then something happened ccp could not reckon with: Most supercap heavy alliances like IT (rdn), PL, NCdot, Evoke, white noise, red and many others banded together and formed one huge supercap-alliance, which is currently burning down the server, just by jumping in titans/scs. And once it formed up, individual supercap pilots kept running to them, just to make it worse.
This heavily uneven distrubution of supercaps cant be ever reversed. Like 80% of all acive pvping supercaps play in the same team. Theres no counter and no hope with current game mechanics. Remove DDs, remove Titans!
Dot it now
If you nerf supers to make sub caps 'matter again' (protip they matter now) then you need to re introduce the AOE DD so that sheer numbers aren't all that matters, again.
That time in EVE was as gay as it gets, and theres absolutely no reason to go back to 'xxxx number of ships means you wing'
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Grath Telkin
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Posted - 2011.08.24 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ilvari
Originally by: Grath Telkin If you nerf supers to make sub caps 'matter again' (protip they matter now) then you need to re introduce the AOE DD so that sheer numbers aren't all that matters, again.
That time in EVE was as gay as it gets, and theres absolutely no reason to go back to 'xxxx number of ships means you wing'
So if a small number of high-hp things are overpowered compared to a large number of low-hp things, your solution is to exchange single target damage for more AoE?
what
Your opinion doesn't count, you want your 7000 man alliance to be able to just stuff a system to the brink of collapse and call it a day, you aren't actually worried about game balance, and telling yourself otherwise is just silly and self deception.
I'm sorry we had that, and it sucked balls, CCP changed it a bit and now a smaller group can compete with a 7000 man behemoth (as long as grogoth isn't fcing) and it ****es you guys off.
You had the money You had the space You had the chance.
You bought maelstroms instead of Nyx's, and now you're angry about it.
A bloo bloo bloo
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.08.24 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Tunguska
NC never had remotly those crazy numbers. 100 (!) SC and 40 Titans...It looks like youre describing the typical low skill pl+rus supercapblob of guaranteed victory.
You're an idiot, they easily had twice those numbers.
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Grath Telkin
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Posted - 2011.08.24 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Limas Nyx
hahaha yes ofc Revisionist history par exellence...you should apply to Col. Ghadaffi, he might want to hire you.....ohwait
This PL.....err Supercapnerf will be delishous.
Somebody will root through the forum mirror (or i'll grab imperian and hold him down and tickle him till he tells me) but MM had more supercarries alone listed than his petty 100 number, that doesn't count any of the rest of the NC members.
I mean, they were your forums, you could always go get the list yourself right?
Some how i doubt you'll do that though.
I guess its a stretch to ask you to do anything based in reality though, especially since you're the group that said the DRF was selling their renter income then buying isk to get supers with, and every other lame ass story you made up during the northern war.
Its not our fault that we hunted your super pilots until they were too scared to log in and fight us, strange though, you are getting some really sweet numbers down in Delve from your super pilots, and you SO don't mind dropping them on fights to assure your victory.
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Grath Telkin
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Posted - 2011.08.24 19:25:00 -
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Edited by: Grath Telkin on 24/08/2011 19:25:23
Originally by: Limas Nyx Dont tell stories, evemail me a valid kb link which shows WHOLE NC ever fielded more than 100 supercaps. Youre so used to epic supercap blobs that you lost touch with reality.
I didn't say you had fielded more than 100 super caps, i said you HAD more than 100.
I doubt you could even link a killmail with 100 PL super cap pilots on it, even though we're well over 200 and closing fast on 300
EDIT: LOLOLOLOL you got owned by Cynthia
Originally by: Limas Nyx And if you really think pl SCARED ppl to a point they dont logged in anymore, you must be living in some kind of parallel universe. I feel so sorry for you, but I dont really know how to help :(
I hope you plan to back this up next week when we land in delve
I mean, you didn't fight in Tribute at all, and you're sorely lacking the other 400 dudes you needed to ever face us before, I'd hate for this quote to make you look like a hurf blurfing jackass next week. |
Grath Telkin
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Posted - 2011.08.24 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Feligast Grath, do you need a hug or something?
You can hug me, but im not responsible for the unprotected sex that comes afterwards.
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Grath Telkin
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Posted - 2011.08.24 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Limas Nyx
Originally by: Cynthia Ysolde
correct me if i'm wrong, but 20+98 = more than 100. Know why you won't see another battle with these numbers? Because you lost. And you kept losing. Every single battle from then until disbanding, the NC lost. And every battle you lost, fewer supercaps showed up. It's almost as if there's a way to reduce the number of supercaps your enemy fields.
We lost because you sided with the Russian/exBoB block what roughly doubled the hostile supercap and Titan numbers. Plain and simple. We never had a chance to beat your 40ish Titan megablob. And I guess you know that. Dont try to spin heroic pl stories, blobbers.
bb and gn8 all o//
Guess you guys should have taken the counter offer that was proposed before we moved north.
SUX2BU
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.08.24 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: Grath Telkin on 24/08/2011 20:44:25
Originally by: Cpt Tunguska
Originally by: penifSMASH goonNOOB goonPET and dead NC tears are great.
welcome 2 da pwnzone idiots
Ya pl, welcome in VFK
You always want ppl make to belive that youre awseome, but in fact we just saw in deklein what youre able to do without russian backup and nync's lead: FAILURE
Youre just supercap blobmonkeys for WN, unable to achieve own victories. Great evoLOLution, congratulation.
IDGI we're in VFK almost every day, whats this supposed to mean?
You must be ingame poor.
I'm sorry, perhaps a donation drive, or you know, fly scimmies, you guys make like, 30 mil per scimmie you lose.
Cheer up man, just because we're about to obtain our 100th titan doesn't mean you should be so sad. I mean, its not our fault we're rolling around in isk, your alliance surely could stand up to wimpy PL and take back some of these moons right?
Right?
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Grath Telkin
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Posted - 2011.08.24 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Viribus
cant wait 4 nerf pathetic legion shud change name to 'coloncrucified hurt feelings alliance' ahed of time
Talks a heap of ****, yet never is seen in ROIR. Must be mad.
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Grath Telkin
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Posted - 2011.08.25 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Tunguska
This huge blob pushed into the core NC and put 40+ Titans and hundrets of SCs on the field. Core NC saw no possibility to fight this epic blob and gave up. No real epic battle happened. NC completly disintegrated and remnants moved into NPC space.
The huge blob recruited even more and more and more scap pilots and again attacked south. From Delve to catch all AAA related allieances dropped their space and moved into NPC space (again). The blob kills of all sov unopposed and AAA will again lose all regions.
So within a year and few months the number of coalitions was reduced to 2:
DRF supercapblob Goons
DRF controls most of eve, except the goon regions. All other entities are shattered. I dont see anyone stepping up to fight this crazy blob. No one can compete with those supers, either. So the diplomatic approach wont work.
The only one who can solve this mess is CCP, by nerfing those unbalanced toys aka Titans/SCs.
BoB controls all of eve except for x regions Goons control all of eve except for x regions NC control all of eve except for x regions DRF control all of eve except for x regions
And your revisionist history on why the NC didn't engage seals the deal on how utterly and hopelessly ******ed you make yourself look with every post.
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Grath Telkin
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Posted - 2011.08.25 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Tunguska This means you loose hundrets of ships....but it serves nothing
It serves nothing?
Its a game dumbass, its called playing a game.
Pro tip if you lose your ship in EVE your insurance premiums don't go up.
Stop being such a coward.
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Grath Telkin
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Posted - 2011.08.25 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: Grath Telkin on 25/08/2011 22:58:16
Originally by: Trusty Jutspezic Edited by: Trusty Jutspezic on 25/08/2011 22:18:23
Originally by: Cpt Tunguska
So the decision to abandon everything was the logical one. And if you check the other big players, you see that they act the similar way. Burning supercaps for nothing....srsly no one is doing this.
Counterpoint: Herocats and their bratty little brother Welpfleet. You don't have to field supers to kill supers. You just need bubbles, autocannons, moxy, and bubbles.
Edit: and neuts.
Don't let that out, people will feel dumb if they find out the counter to supers was a t1 battle cruiser or a t1 battleship, and you know, balls.
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Grath Telkin
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Posted - 2011.08.26 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Justyce Stargazer
Anyways, an SC nerf is needed and most sane people can see that.
Most sane people can also see that battleships are over powered in large groups.
Nerf battlehips
Then nerf large groups.
Then you can nerf BC's because obviously anything that can kill an overpowered ship (Hurricanes killed a Nyx and nearly an Avatar in the middle of its own supercap fleet 2 nights ago) must be overpowered itself.
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Grath Telkin
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Posted - 2011.08.28 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Theodoric Darkwind This was only about half the supers/capitals that PL and friends had dropped into the system for the fight, the rest were killing poses.
What, dude I don't even think we've ever brought supers to 6VDT, even back when we owned it.
Originally by: Theodoric Darkwind A supercap fleet should require significant subcap and carrier/dread support
Says who and why should they?
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Grath Telkin
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Posted - 2011.08.30 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: m3rb3aSt Edited by: m3rb3aSt on 30/08/2011 02:19:06 Having random limitations is the dumbest **** ever. How about we just nerf the stupid ships.
The reason that battleship fleets should be superior is that they allow anyone to have a chance. It would easy to move into 0.0 when all you mostly need is a battleship fleet and some capital and sub BS support. It would also help out the new guys. I'm sure a lot of empire corps could field a fleet of 400 battleships. Now if those battleships counter supercapitals then guess who can gain some nice 0.0 space :3
The only people who are against a nerf and are the most vocal are the people who are using supercaps. Luckily CCP can see through all of the bull****.
This is a good idea at heart, for a game with several million subscribers.
Unfortunately EVE has like, 350k if we're lucky, and most of those have been playing for years.
So if all you need in 0.0 is a BS, then all your old vets have NOTHING to train for and they quit, taking 2 or 3 accounts with them, and the game dies.
Supercaps were put in so that people who have been playing for years have something super skill intensive to train for, and that long grinding train has a reward at the end, a super bad ass space ship.
So its either you keep the guys who've been playing and paying for 5+ years, or you keep the scrub crowd that burns out and unsubs after 8 months.
Luckily, CCP thinks with their wallet.
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Grath Telkin
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Posted - 2011.08.30 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
If i bring 300 BS to fight 200 Scarriers i should be able to get at least one Scarrier kill before those scarriers wipe out the entire fleet. 300 BS pushing 1000 DPS each wont even break a spider tank on 200 scarriers. In fact 50 of those could go home and your still more than safe.
To break a coordinated spider tank on 200 Scrarriers you would need 600 BS at 1000 DPS at least. And as soon as you lose a few you have 0 chance of breaking that tank and thats not going to take long with >2500 drones/fighters swarming the BSes.
All this happens in a perfect world
And a perfect world would allow all of those Sueprs to stay close enough together for your math to work.
Unfortunately this is EVE, and supers have a tendency to bounce, hard, and far, at HUGE ridiculous speeds that make a vagabond jealous. So if you brought 200 BS, and actually had the balls to engage the super blob you're so scared of, you WOULD in fact be able to kill one with simple patience and watching for that dummy in the Nyx who bumps.
Also stop replying to the Scotty Puff nerd, he's obviously butthurt that at some point or other PL has removed him from his home, and he's going to bitter post about a standings list he has no information about and whine and ***** because his alliance is poor.
NO BIG DEAL.
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Grath Telkin
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Posted - 2011.08.30 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jovian Strain I think supers should not be able to touch subcaps.
Fair enough, I think if supers can't touch sub caps, a fair trade is that subcaps can't touch supers either.
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Grath Telkin
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Posted - 2011.09.01 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Why should a Titan be efficient against ships 2 size classes smaller than it when no other ship type is? Every other ship class - no matter how expensive - can reasonably be countered with smaller class ships. Only supercaps are so effective vs smaller ships.
I mean, i understand that you don't like supers, but telling outright lies is a bit ridiculous.
Battleships are actually fairly dangerous to frigates so I'm not sure what game you're playing, but if you tackle my Domi, or Tempest, or Geddon, or....well lets just say most, that your frigate is likely deeply and passionately screwed, or at the best case you burn your point out in about 1 minute and I warp off.
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